One plan would be to use jaiku->twitter for the international league interested mostly in software etc, and FB for the old friends back in Catalonia/Spain that couldn't care less about what I'm doing now.
@adewale The return of m.jaiku.com is great, but it (and the main Jaiku) keep forgetting my login, which makes using Jaiku on the go currently too frustrating to be useful. The UX of the Twitter clients also makes them a lot more appealing, even if the platform itself is not my favorite.
The old S60 app's location thing was great, fuzzy location so you could check if your friends were at home, around town, or still at work. So auto-update of location would be a plus. However, something like the existing Twitter clients, even if all it did was remember me and open up faster than loading in my mobile browser, would make me check in more often.
@adewale in Qaiku each post is tagged by language, and you can filter out posts in languages that you don't speak. This essentially frees me to post also in Finnish without bothering my international friends.
Other than that, Qaiku should feel quite familiar to most Jaiku users, as it was created to be a "safe haven" when old Jaiku became crashy. Similar conversational culture, mdot version, Markdown formatting etc.
But in addition it has RSS import, picture qaikus (that you can also post via email) and (soon to be launched) live search.
@bergie: Interesting. What effect does that have on conversations? I know that it's a little weird in Wave and FriendFeed when people edit what you're responding to. In some cases on FriendFeed it's caused conflict.
How do you handle that? Wave has playback but we'd have to somehow tag a message as edited.
@adewale: Qaiku stores editing information internally (who has edited, when, how many times) but at the moment that isn't displayed as we haven't seen it causing any adverse effects into conversations.
It is mostly used anyway for correcting typos and formatting mistakes, not for historical revisionism
@bergie@adewale shouldnt u guys a make a small tabble of features each of our/yours J/Q[aiku] and then clone the interessing ones from each?
The Radar, language tag, thread subscrive are great features on Qaiku
XMPP is great on jaiku
jaiku basically allowed the loss to happen by going stagnant post-google. Be nice if they did something more now .. like where's the android integration? That seems like low hanging fruit
Jaiku's comment system is what originally attracted me to it, and the community is what made it stick. With the way Google let Jaiku stagnate, however, most of the community is now gone. Twitter is a terrible place, but I've been using it simply because that's where most people have gone to now. The best system comparable to Jaiku is FriendFeed now. Comments work well there, and you can pull in feeds from various places as well. But the problem with FriendFeed is it has no real community feel to it, like Jaiku used to have. Instead, FriendFeed is more of a dumping ground of people importing their various feeds (primarily from Twitter) and never actually looking at FF to see and/or respond to comments left there. There are a handful of people that post natively on FF, but nowhere near enough to make for a community feel like Jaiku used to have.
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Twitter is cool for posting, a disaster for discussing.
Facebook is cool for sharing pictures and videos, a disaster for publishing openly.
6 months ago by qgil
yep, i stay here. twitter is for people with AD...uhh a new post on reddit!
6 months ago by mvo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AD ?
6 months ago by qgil
One plan would be to use jaiku->twitter for the international league interested mostly in software etc, and FB for the old friends back in Catalonia/Spain that couldn't care less about what I'm doing now.
6 months ago by qgil
nothing has even come close to beating Jaiku ... you have to really work hard on Twitter and conversations are fragmented at best.
6 months ago by atmasphere
Until there's a decent mobile app, jaiku will be stuck in the backseat.
6 months ago by iamnotdrtran
How would a mobile app change things? Twitter would still have the network effect, the mass of users and Oprah.
Do you envisage something like the existing Twitter clients (for example Twitterific) or something more like the S60 address book app?
6 months ago by adewale
@qgil: I was thinking of ADS but got distracted.
6 months ago by mvo
@adewale The return of m.jaiku.com is great, but it (and the main Jaiku) keep forgetting my login, which makes using Jaiku on the go currently too frustrating to be useful. The UX of the Twitter clients also makes them a lot more appealing, even if the platform itself is not my favorite.
The old S60 app's location thing was great, fuzzy location so you could check if your friends were at home, around town, or still at work. So auto-update of location would be a plus. However, something like the existing Twitter clients, even if all it did was remember me and open up faster than loading in my mobile browser, would make me check in more often.
6 months ago by spongefile
@qgil: in an ideal world you'd find Qaiku's multilingual features much more useful than Jaiku ;-)
5 months, 3 weeks ago by bergie
@bergie: Could you describe those features?
5 months, 3 weeks ago by adewale
@adewale in Qaiku each post is tagged by language, and you can filter out posts in languages that you don't speak. This essentially frees me to post also in Finnish without bothering my international friends.
Other than that, Qaiku should feel quite familiar to most Jaiku users, as it was created to be a "safe haven" when old Jaiku became crashy. Similar conversational culture, mdot version, Markdown formatting etc.
But in addition it has RSS import, picture qaikus (that you can also post via email) and (soon to be launched) live search.
5 months, 3 weeks ago by bergie
Thanks for the info. It sounds like you guys are evolving in interesting directions. If you don't mind I have a couple of other questions:
Did you guys consider using the Google Translate AJAX API: http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxlanguage/ in addition to tagging a post with a language?
What's "live search?" Do you mean Google Suggest style search or do you mean integration with Microsoft's Live Search?
5 months, 3 weeks ago by adewale
Oops. It seems that the hash symbol makes text embarrassingly large rather than generating a numbered list.
5 months, 3 weeks ago by adewale
That was some quite large text there alright ;)
5 months, 3 weeks ago by alexleonard
@adewale Google Translate API is being planned. As for search, I mean showing results live instead of resorting to some out-of-date search index.
Search is already in the Qaiku API, and soon on the site too. Makes it easy to find interesting conversations :-)
5 months, 3 weeks ago by bergie
ah... @adewale @alexleonard one useful feature in Qaiku is that you can modify your posts and comments in case of such mistakes ;-)
5 months, 3 weeks ago by bergie
@bergie: Interesting. What effect does that have on conversations? I know that it's a little weird in Wave and FriendFeed when people edit what you're responding to. In some cases on FriendFeed it's caused conflict.
How do you handle that? Wave has playback but we'd have to somehow tag a message as edited.
5 months, 3 weeks ago by adewale
@adewale: Qaiku stores editing information internally (who has edited, when, how many times) but at the moment that isn't displayed as we haven't seen it causing any adverse effects into conversations.
It is mostly used anyway for correcting typos and formatting mistakes, not for historical revisionism
5 months, 3 weeks ago by bergie
@adewale: i think i have a bug opened for multi-language support for jaiku-engine, as it is done on Qaiku.
5 months, 3 weeks ago by BUGabundo
@BUGabundo: I can't seem to find it on the list: http://code.google.com/p/jaikuengine/issues/list
Is it part of some other issue?
5 months, 3 weeks ago by adewale
@adewale: no. I think it was a stand alone bug. but then again don't trust my memory. please open a new one, and sub me to it
5 months, 3 weeks ago by BUGabundo
No offence, but Can't you guys have that quaiku-jaiku-bug conversation on somewhat of a jaiku-quaiku channel?
or: what can I do so that I don't see all of it?
5 months, 2 weeks ago by frech
@frech: right now u can't do much, other then delete your own jaiku here Or u can bride a jaiku engine dev to fix http://code.google.com/p/jaikuengine/issues/detail?id=95
5 months, 2 weeks ago by BUGabundo
btw Qaiku does this, and its great
@bergie @adewale shouldnt u guys a make a small tabble of features each of our/yours J/Q[aiku] and then clone the interessing ones from each? The Radar, language tag, thread subscrive are great features on Qaiku XMPP is great on jaiku
5 months, 2 weeks ago by BUGabundo
@BUGabundo: see, I am not a techy. Just one of those user, so this code thing link is all Greek to me and by boyfriend isn't here to check it.
Funny: I deleted my first Jaiku already (2nd below Qgil's) and still it would show me all your tech-talk.
Na, well, I think I just have to follow you! ZEN ZEN ZEN ;)
5 months, 2 weeks ago by frech
@frech: it shows up because @spongefile has a comment up there and she is a contact of yours
5 months, 2 weeks ago by dw
@dw: achso!
5 months, 2 weeks ago by frech
when good social objects go bad ;)
5 months, 2 weeks ago by murphy
jaiku basically allowed the loss to happen by going stagnant post-google. Be nice if they did something more now .. like where's the android integration? That seems like low hanging fruit
5 months, 2 weeks ago by atmasphere
@atmasphere: Thanks for the reminder. See: http://www.jaiku.com/channel/jaikuengine/presence/da7278d0fd004a1199f9af523da99bf7
5 months, 2 weeks ago by adewale
Jaiku's comment system is what originally attracted me to it, and the community is what made it stick. With the way Google let Jaiku stagnate, however, most of the community is now gone. Twitter is a terrible place, but I've been using it simply because that's where most people have gone to now. The best system comparable to Jaiku is FriendFeed now. Comments work well there, and you can pull in feeds from various places as well. But the problem with FriendFeed is it has no real community feel to it, like Jaiku used to have. Instead, FriendFeed is more of a dumping ground of people importing their various feeds (primarily from Twitter) and never actually looking at FF to see and/or respond to comments left there. There are a handful of people that post natively on FF, but nowhere near enough to make for a community feel like Jaiku used to have.
5 months, 2 weeks ago by CAW
BTW - LOVE that the notifications have kept this thread going for a few weeks in an orderly manner. Please restore Jaiku again!
@adewale - my video and review for you other thread are here - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp/archives/2007/06/14/jaiku-mobile-lifestreaming-with-my-friends
5 months, 2 weeks ago by atmasphere
@CAW: +100
what about FF @seanmacdhai
5 months, 2 weeks ago by BUGabundo